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NO. '2 PORTUGUESE BEND RD. • ROLLING HILLS, CALIF. 90274
ROLLING HILLS
CALIFORNIA
June 3
, 1981
To: Board of Directors, R.H.C.A.
From: Roger Vink, Architectural Inspector
Subject: Ken Vroom pool, 26 Middleridge South
On March 11, 1981 I was asked to look at the area which
the Vrooms wanted to build a pool,. at the location between
Vroom's and Rockwell's property. There were two stakes in place
between the properties. One at the westerly slope and one at
the easterly slope:. Measuring in line with these, I measured
13 ft. to Vroom's existing fence. There is a 10-ft easement there.
Then on the 16th of March Peggy and I went back up to look at
the area together. The stakes and fence were still there. A.
10-ft. measurement from the fence into the yard was the
approximate pool location. On Tuesday, May 7th I was checking
out another job site. Then I noticed dirt had been hauled out
from the Vroom property. I went there, and talked to Mr.
Quinn, the pool builder for Vroom. I asked him why no one had
called for an inspection. He stated he thought the truck driver
stopped by. I told him he has built enough pools here and that
he should have called me himself to make sure.
The pool was staked, and the dig out for the pool was on,
Saturday the 4th or Monday morning the 6th.of May. The fence
was torn out also between Vroom's and Rockwell's property at
this time. I had no reason to doubt the two stakes that were in
place were not correct. The stake on the westerly slope lined up
with the property spike in the street on Middleridge South.
On May 21st or 22nd Mr. Rockwell called questioning the new
fence that had been installed between his and Vroom's property.
He also questioned new planting outside the fence.
Later,
him to call
I asked him
it, and who
He said Mr.
when I called Mr. Quinn's office I left a message for
me. I met him on Blackwater Canyon the next day.
when he dug the pool on Saturday the 5th and staked
showed him the pool location according to the plan.
Vroom showed him the pool location.
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Mr. Vroom came out of his residence when I went up to check
on the complaint about the fence. This was on the 23rd of May.
When I started measuring from the new residence addition to the new
fence Mr. Vroom stated that his information was correct about the
property line location, and that he had gone to South Bay
Engineering office. They showed him where the property lines
were on his original survey map. He then took me to Middleridge
South where the spike was in place in the road. We then came up
the slope in a straight line to the easterly slope where there
was still a stake in place there. He then pointed down the
slope to a small tree in the brush. He said that is where South
Bay showed him on the map that was where the corner property
maker was originally. He said that Rockwell's corral was even
in the easement at one point. The next day he came in to see
me and Peggy.
I asked him at the time if he would get a new survey to
satisfy the Rockwells. He.said "No, that South Bay would
charge him $2000.00 for it." He also added that as long as Mr.
Rockwell was complaining, let him survey it. When Mr. Rockwell
was told this he called South Bay Engineering. They surveyed it
for him on the 16th or 17th of June for'$750.00. Since then
there have been many phone calls here to talk to Peggy and me,
both from Mr. Vroom and Mr. Rockwell. Mr. Vroom came in on the
25th and told Peggy and I that we now had given the wrong infor-
mation to him.
I stated to him that the first time I went to his property
and measured from the stakes to the fence, it was the exact area
where he later showed me he had gotten the information from
South Bay Engineering. Also the exact same location where he
showed Mr. Quinn for the digging of the pool.
Now, Mr. Vroom, after seeing the new survey, is saying to.
Peggy and me that he had the wrong information:and had made
a mistake. He also told this to Mr. Rockwell Monday evening
the 22nd of June. This can be verified by Mr. Rockwell as he
told me this by telephone Tuesday.
June 30, 1981
TO: BOARD OF DIRECTORS
FROM: PEGGY MINOR
RE: KEN VROOM - 26 MIDDLERIDGE SOUTH
POOL CONSTRUCTION
On May 29, 1981, Mr. Jack Rockwell, 32 Middleridge South, contacted
me regarding placing a boundary fence on his property to protect his
children from the pool area under construction for his neighbor, Ken
Vroom. He said that in measuring his house and studying the plan by
Robert Schrank, builder of their homes, he believed that the fence
placed by Mr. Vroom was either in the easement or on the Rockwell pro--
perty. I called Mr. Vroom on this day and asked that he provide the
survey information he had previously said he received from South Bay
prior to approval of the pool plans. He told me that he didn't have
a drawn plan by South Bay but had acquired information from South Bay
to locate the pool on his property.
In reviewing issuance of the pool permit, the initial contact was
made by his contractor, Dick Quinn, who visited the office 2 or 3
times in an attempt to coordinate the plans with the "as built" site
plan submitted by Bob Schrank. He also advised (as well as Mr. Vroom)
that the plot plan of the house prepared by Bob Schrank was not correct
and they had figures and information that would verify this. Roger Vink
visited the site alone and with me at a later date to view the staking
that we believed to be done by South Bay. We accepted the plans and
stakes as represented by the property owner because we knew that many
discrepancies existed on the Schrank construction jobs. The plans sub-
mitted showed a 10' easement plus a 10' side yard setback which was
acceptable with regulations.
On May 29, I called Mr. Vroom, questioning him about his plans and he
said the information was received from South Bay and plan was based
upon this information. He was very vague about the survey markers
placed on the property and refused to clarify his plans with regard
to the boundaries, stating that his pool would be soon finished and
demanded that a final be given. He said that he had discussed with
South Bay costs for a survey and decided that $2,000 was excessive
and had used their figures.
I called Bill Kinley on May 29th, advising him of events transpired
and he directed that no pool final be given until the property boundary
dispute was settled. I called the pool contractor that a boundary
dispute placed doubt as to the validity of his plans. In questioning
him, he advised that South Bay and Mr. Vroom had provided the infor-
mation for his plans.
Mr. Vroom visited the office on June 5th, advising that Mr. Schrank
had advised him that the houses were not located according to the
Association plans. We did receive "as built" plans from Schrank and
I am uncertain as to which plans he is referring to.
On June 17th Mr. Rockwell advised that a survey by South Bay shows
that Mr. Vroom!s deck, fence, pool equipment and landscaping is on
the Rockwell property. I requested he send me a copy of correspondence
he intended to send Mr. Vroom and advised Mr. Kinley of this information.
On June 30, 1980 I returned from a week's vacation to learn that Mrs.
Clifton has been handling the matter and will report on her activity.
Today Mr. Rockwell brought a letter he received from Mr. Vroom which
is attached. Rockwell wants everything removed from his property, his
easement and the Vroom easement as well. He feels his rights have been
imposed upon and his property is devalued by his neighbor's encroach-
ment on the easement.
Regarding side yard requizements, the Board of Directors modified Build-
ing Regulations on March 19, 1981 to provide a 25' setback requirement
on 2 acre parcels. The pool plan check for the pool was issued March
11, 1981 which was prior to change in regulations.